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		<title>By: David Morales</title>
		<link>http://bytesizebio.net/index.php/2009/11/01/open-access-whats-in-it-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-618</link>
		<dc:creator>David Morales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Under Open Access philosophy, Redalyc aims to contribute to the editorial scientific activity produced in and about Ibero-America making available for public consultation the content of 550 scientific journals of different knowledge areas: &lt;a href=&quot;http://redalyc.uaemex.mx/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://redalyc.uaemex.mx&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under Open Access philosophy, Redalyc aims to contribute to the editorial scientific activity produced in and about Ibero-America making available for public consultation the content of 550 scientific journals of different knowledge areas: <a href="http://redalyc.uaemex.mx/" rel="nofollow">http://redalyc.uaemex.mx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://bytesizebio.net/index.php/2009/11/01/open-access-whats-in-it-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-611</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry about the typo...  I don&#039;t see an edit function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry about the typo&#8230;  I don&#8217;t see an edit function.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://bytesizebio.net/index.php/2009/11/01/open-access-whats-in-it-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-610</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-593&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Iddo &lt;/a&gt; 
I was coming from the standpoint of other helping scientific community and not how is this information going to get me more funding or further my career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-593" rel="nofollow">@Iddo </a><br />
I was coming from the standpoint of other helping scientific community and not how is this information going to get me more funding or further my career.</p>
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		<title>By: Zen Faulkes</title>
		<link>http://bytesizebio.net/index.php/2009/11/01/open-access-whats-in-it-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-607</link>
		<dc:creator>Zen Faulkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 02:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-603&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Dr. Gunn &lt;/a&gt; 

Ever heard of the Ingelfinger rule? Most journals will not publish something if they find out it&#039;s already been put on a blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-603" rel="nofollow">@Dr. Gunn </a> </p>
<p>Ever heard of the Ingelfinger rule? Most journals will not publish something if they find out it&#8217;s already been put on a blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey K</title>
		<link>http://bytesizebio.net/index.php/2009/11/01/open-access-whats-in-it-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-606</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickey K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Iddo on this. If you didn&#039;t publish your work in a peer reviewed journal, the places/people that count the most for the future of your career will not take it into consideration. Some people might even see time spent on blogging etc. as &quot;not being serious&quot;. Unfortunately, I don&#039;t think this will change any time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Iddo on this. If you didn&#8217;t publish your work in a peer reviewed journal, the places/people that count the most for the future of your career will not take it into consideration. Some people might even see time spent on blogging etc. as &#8220;not being serious&#8221;. Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t think this will change any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Iddo</title>
		<link>http://bytesizebio.net/index.php/2009/11/01/open-access-whats-in-it-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-605</link>
		<dc:creator>Iddo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify previous comment: blogging is fun. I find it hones my writing skills, gives me visibility, a chance to vent, rant and net-socialize. I also keep better tabs on current happenings in my fields of interest by blogging about papers I read. Down the line some of this may translate to attracting graduate students to my lab, or leave an informal favorable impression with someone reviewing my manuscripts, grant proposals or request for promotion. 

But blogging is not one of the things by which I am judged professionally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify previous comment: blogging is fun. I find it hones my writing skills, gives me visibility, a chance to vent, rant and net-socialize. I also keep better tabs on current happenings in my fields of interest by blogging about papers I read. Down the line some of this may translate to attracting graduate students to my lab, or leave an informal favorable impression with someone reviewing my manuscripts, grant proposals or request for promotion. </p>
<p>But blogging is not one of the things by which I am judged professionally.</p>
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		<title>By: Iddo</title>
		<link>http://bytesizebio.net/index.php/2009/11/01/open-access-whats-in-it-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-604</link>
		<dc:creator>Iddo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-603&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-603&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dr. Gunn&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Surely you don’t mean that if someone blogs their research, then subsequently publishes and the paper is widely cited, that only after publication it is worthwhile? &lt;/p&gt;
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Surely I *do* mean that. P&amp;T committees do not consider blog writing to be a publication. Grant review panels don&#039;t consider blogging to be  a publication.  The latter determine whether you have money to do your job and the former whether you actually have a job (usually based upon how much money you get from the latter). So peer-reviewed publications are the fundamental career-scientist coinage. As far as blogging is concerned, the value in this context are nil. There may be other values to blogging such as making yourself known &quot;out there&quot;, networking, recruitment etc. 

Whether that is a good or bad situation may be argued about, but there it is.</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-603" rel="nofollow">Dr. Gunn</a> :</strong></p>
<p>Surely you don’t mean that if someone blogs their research, then subsequently publishes and the paper is widely cited, that only after publication it is worthwhile? </p>
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<p>Surely I *do* mean that. P&#038;T committees do not consider blog writing to be a publication. Grant review panels don&#8217;t consider blogging to be  a publication.  The latter determine whether you have money to do your job and the former whether you actually have a job (usually based upon how much money you get from the latter). So peer-reviewed publications are the fundamental career-scientist coinage. As far as blogging is concerned, the value in this context are nil. There may be other values to blogging such as making yourself known &#8220;out there&#8221;, networking, recruitment etc. </p>
<p>Whether that is a good or bad situation may be argued about, but there it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Gunn</title>
		<link>http://bytesizebio.net/index.php/2009/11/01/open-access-whats-in-it-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-603</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Gunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Bill on this one. OA makes economic sense to those who know what their options are. I also have to take issue with your claim that research not published in a traditional journal is worthless. First of all, it&#039;s your community of peers that decides whether or not it&#039;s worthwhile, and that can happen just as well on a blog as anywhere else.  Surely you don&#039;t mean that if someone blogs their research, then subsequently publishes and the paper is widely cited, that only after publication it is worthwhile? 

People blog their research all the time, too. I published a method for &lt;a href=&quot;http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2007/08/31/ive-worked-out-a-method-for-doing-immunohistochemistry-ihc-on-formalin-fixed-paraffin-embedded-ffpe-sections-of-bone/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fluorescently staining osteoclasts in paraffin embedded bone sections&lt;/a&gt; to the prestigious journal of My Blog and then subsequently in an open access journal (pending).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Bill on this one. OA makes economic sense to those who know what their options are. I also have to take issue with your claim that research not published in a traditional journal is worthless. First of all, it&#8217;s your community of peers that decides whether or not it&#8217;s worthwhile, and that can happen just as well on a blog as anywhere else.  Surely you don&#8217;t mean that if someone blogs their research, then subsequently publishes and the paper is widely cited, that only after publication it is worthwhile? </p>
<p>People blog their research all the time, too. I published a method for <a href="http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2007/08/31/ive-worked-out-a-method-for-doing-immunohistochemistry-ihc-on-formalin-fixed-paraffin-embedded-ffpe-sections-of-bone/" rel="nofollow">fluorescently staining osteoclasts in paraffin embedded bone sections</a> to the prestigious journal of My Blog and then subsequently in an open access journal (pending).</p>
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		<title>By: Zen Faulkes</title>
		<link>http://bytesizebio.net/index.php/2009/11/01/open-access-whats-in-it-for-me/comment-page-1/#comment-602</link>
		<dc:creator>Zen Faulkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-599&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Morgan Langille &lt;/a&gt; 

&quot;In today terms what is needed to run a simple publishing company?&quot;

I was saying to my students yesterday that if I wanted to, I could probably start a new online journal for $50. Buy a domain name and some server space, ask a few colleagues to start reviewing manuscripts, and away you go.

On the other hand, if I were to want to launch a journal that actually distributed archival print copies to libraries around the world... that would be more expensive.

There might be a perceived difference in credibility because of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-599" rel="nofollow">@Morgan Langille </a> </p>
<p>&#8220;In today terms what is needed to run a simple publishing company?&#8221;</p>
<p>I was saying to my students yesterday that if I wanted to, I could probably start a new online journal for $50. Buy a domain name and some server space, ask a few colleagues to start reviewing manuscripts, and away you go.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if I were to want to launch a journal that actually distributed archival print copies to libraries around the world&#8230; that would be more expensive.</p>
<p>There might be a perceived difference in credibility because of that.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I didn&#039;t have a strategy when picking journals to look at, I just grabbed what came to mind or showed up on searches for official figures -- so you&#039;re right in that it may not be a usefully representative sample, and I don&#039;t have data to say whether it is or isn&#039;t.  

You&#039;re also right that niche journals are a different ecosystem altogether.  The majority of OA journals do not charge any author-side fees at all (see, e.g. &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2009/05/29/what-percentage-of-open-access-journals-charge-publication-fees/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;), and there are &gt;4400 entries in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.doaj.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Directory of OA Journals&lt;/a&gt;.  My best estimate from Ulrich&#039;s is that there are around 15,000 peer-reviewed STM journals, so TA outweighs OA but only by ~2:1 -- once we get away from the Cell/Nature/Science fixation, surely somewhere in the DOAJ there is a no-fee OA alternative for most TA niche journals?

That makes the price competition moot -- or turns it on its head, since most TA journals do charge at least some author-side fees (see the Kaufman-Wills study linked in my first link above).  If you&#039;re really hard up, surely a journal which charges you nothing at all is the best choice -- and that is more likely to be a no-fee OA than a TA journal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I didn&#8217;t have a strategy when picking journals to look at, I just grabbed what came to mind or showed up on searches for official figures &#8212; so you&#8217;re right in that it may not be a usefully representative sample, and I don&#8217;t have data to say whether it is or isn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re also right that niche journals are a different ecosystem altogether.  The majority of OA journals do not charge any author-side fees at all (see, e.g. <a href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2009/05/29/what-percentage-of-open-access-journals-charge-publication-fees/" rel="nofollow">here</a>), and there are >4400 entries in the <a href="http://www.doaj.org/" rel="nofollow">Directory of OA Journals</a>.  My best estimate from Ulrich&#8217;s is that there are around 15,000 peer-reviewed STM journals, so TA outweighs OA but only by ~2:1 &#8212; once we get away from the Cell/Nature/Science fixation, surely somewhere in the DOAJ there is a no-fee OA alternative for most TA niche journals?</p>
<p>That makes the price competition moot &#8212; or turns it on its head, since most TA journals do charge at least some author-side fees (see the Kaufman-Wills study linked in my first link above).  If you&#8217;re really hard up, surely a journal which charges you nothing at all is the best choice &#8212; and that is more likely to be a no-fee OA than a TA journal.</p>
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